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Post by rosejones on Aug 10, 2013 4:23:27 GMT -5
The New Testament teaches in many places that the Christian does not NOW have eternal life in actuality (Matt. 25:46; Rom. 2:6-7; 6:22; 8:24-25). The Christian has eternal life NOW ONLY IN PROMISE (1 John 2:25) and HOPE (Tit. 1:2). Eternal life IN ACTUALITY is to be received "IN THE WORLD TO COME" (Mark 10:30). Remember, one passage of Scripture NEVER contradicts another! He that endures to the END shall be saved!
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
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Post by rosejones on Aug 10, 2013 4:23:54 GMT -5
Romans 8:35-39 simply teaches that external things CANNOT SEPARATE US from the love of God. However, the Bible plainly teaches that WE CAN SEPARATE OURSELVES from the love of God (John 15:9-10; Jude 21). The fact that God loves man IS NO PROOF OF MAN'S ETERNAL SALVATION, for God loves the whole world (John 3:16), yet most of the world will be lost (Matt. 7:13-14).
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Post by rosejones on Aug 10, 2013 4:24:12 GMT -5
We can have eternal salvation if we endure unto the end!
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
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Post by biblebeliever on Aug 10, 2013 4:31:21 GMT -5
Jesus will keep a person saved if they wish to remain saved. Nothing can separate one from the love of GOD. However, there are those that can and do fall away, because of their OWN choice.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This verse on its own destroys the doctrine of OSAS. It's painfully obvious here that if you remove the words from the book of Revelation then YOU WILL have your part in the book of life removed, and you will not be in the holy city spoken of. It can't be removed if you never had anything to begin with....
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Post by biblebeliever on Aug 10, 2013 4:31:48 GMT -5
1Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
Here we are told that some people shall depart from the faith.
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Post by biblebeliever on Aug 10, 2013 4:32:06 GMT -5
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
This is absolute proof that the righteous can turn from their righteousness, and that it's not merely "they were never saved to begin with".
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Post by biblebeliever on Aug 10, 2013 4:32:22 GMT -5
2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
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